{"id":5005286,"date":"2005-11-14T05:03:06","date_gmt":"2005-11-14T04:03:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.blog.hu\/2005\/11\/14\/habemus_designatorum"},"modified":"2005-11-14T05:03:06","modified_gmt":"2005-11-14T04:03:06","slug":"habemus_designatorum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/?p=5005286","title":{"rendered":"Habemus Designatorum?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img src=\"http:\/\/criticalbiomass.blog.hu\/media\/image\/200511\/god&amp;darwin.jpg\" align=\"right\" width=\"300\"><\/p>\n<p>Nincs k\u00f6nny\u0171 helyzetben az aki a Vatik\u00e1n \u00e9s az \u00c9rtelmes Tervez\u00e9s<br \/>\n(ID) viszony\u00e1t pr\u00f3b\u00e1lja manaps\u00e1g tiszt\u00e1n l\u00e1tni. M\u00edg II. J\u00e1nos P\u00e1l p\u00e1pa<br \/>\nidej\u00e9n viszonylag egy\u00e9rtelm\u0171 volt a Szentsz\u00e9k \u00e1ll\u00e1spontja a<br \/>\nkreacionista-evolucionista vit\u00e1ban, m\u00e1ra a helyzet hom\u00e1lyosabb\u00e1 v\u00e1lt.<br \/>\n1996 okt\u00f3ber 22.-i besz\u00e9d\u00e9ben <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ewtn.com\/library\/PAPALDOC\/JP961022.HTM\">II. J\u00e1nos P\u00e1l egy\u00e9rtelm\u0171en ki\u00e1llt az evol\u00faci\u00f3 mellett<\/a><br \/>\npontot t\u00e9ve azon spekul\u00e1ci\u00f3k v\u00e9g\u00e9re, hogy a katolikus egyh\u00e1z t\u00e1mogatja<br \/>\naz ID-t, vagy a kreacionizmus b\u00e1rmilyen m\u00e1s form\u00e1j\u00e1t (az id\u00e9zetek angolul vannak, mert a legt\u00f6bbre nem leltem magyar<br \/>\nnyelv\u0171 ford\u00edt\u00e1st):\n<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"idezet\"><p>\n&#8220;Today [&#8230;] some new findings lead us toward the recognition of<br \/>\nevolution as more than an hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that<br \/>\nthis theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of<br \/>\nresearchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly<br \/>\ndisciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent<br \/>\nstudies\u2014which was neither planned nor sought\u2014constitutes in itself a<br \/>\nsignificant argument in favor of the theory.&#8221;\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Term\u00e9szetesen ez nem jelentette, hogy a Vatik\u00e1n<br \/>\nmindenest\u00fcl elvetette a Teremt\u00e9s k\u00f6nyv\u00e9t, min\u00f6ssze azt, hogy elfogadta<br \/>\naz emberi test evol\u00faci\u00f3 \u00fatj\u00e1n val\u00f3 l\u00e9trej\u00f6tt\u00e9t, a lelket azonban isteni<br \/>\nadom\u00e1nynak tartotta:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"idezet\"><p>&#8220;Pius XII underlined the essential point:<br \/>\nif the origin of the human body comes through living matter which<br \/>\nexisted previously, the spiritual soul is created directly by God (&#8220;<i>animas enim a Deo immediate creari catholica fides non retimere iubet<\/i>&#8220;). (Humani Generis)&#8221;\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/p>\n<p>\nEzzel az eml\u00edtett vita hossz\u00fa ideig el\u00fclni l\u00e1tszott, m\u00edgnem a n\u00e9hai<br \/>\np\u00e1pa hal\u00e1la ut\u00e1n Christoph Sch\u00f6nborn, b\u00e9csi \u00e9rsek alaposan fel nem<br \/>\nkavart a ked\u00e9lyeket j\u00faliusban a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2005\/07\/07\/opinion\/07schonborn.html?ex=1132030800&amp;en=dc39e77e76f5a78b&amp;ei=5070\">New York Timesban megjelent publicisztik\u00e1j\u00e1val<\/a><br \/>\n(szem\u00e9lyes v\u00e9lem\u00e9nyem szerint, cikk\u00e9nek id\u0151z\u00edt\u00e9se, minimum \u00e9rdekes).<br \/>\nEbben II. J\u00e1nos P\u00e1l 1996-os besz\u00e9d\u00e9t l\u00e9nyegtelennek b\u00e9lyegzi \u00e9s azt<br \/>\nfejtegeti, hogy b\u00e1r a k\u00f6z\u00f6s \u0151st\u0151l val\u00f3 sz\u00e1rmaz\u00e1s nem vonhat\u00f3 k\u00e9ts\u00e9gbe,<br \/>\nmaga az evol\u00faci\u00f3s folyamat mag\u00e1n viseli a tervezetts\u00e9g, isteni<br \/>\nbeavatkoz\u00e1s jegyeit. (S\u0151t, szavai szerint, minden olyan<br \/>\ngondolatrendszer amely nem foglalkozik a tervezetts\u00e9g nagysz\u00e1m\u00fa (sic!)<br \/>\nbizony\u00edt\u00e9k\u00e1val az ideol\u00f3gia \u00e9s nem tudom\u00e1ny.)<br \/>\nSch\u00f6nborn \u00edr\u00e1sa (mely val\u00f3sz\u00edn\u0171leg az ID szellemi fellegv\u00e1r\u00e1nak sz\u00e1m\u00edt\u00f3 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.discovery.org\">Discovery Institute<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2005\/07\/09\/science\/09cardinal.html?ex=1132030800&amp;en=081aa617740a4859&amp;ei=5070\">lobbiz\u00e1sa nyom\u00e1n k\u00e9sz\u00fclt<\/a>) \u00e9les kritik\u00e1t kapott egyebek mellett a katolikus egyh\u00e1zon bel\u00fclr\u0151l is. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pandasthumb.org\/archives\/2005\/08\/father_andrew_g.html\">Andrew Greeley<\/a> \u00e9s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thetablet.co.uk\/cgi-bin\/archive_db.cgi\/tablet-01063\">George Coyne<\/a>,<br \/>\na vatik\u00e1ni obszervat\u00f3rium vezet\u0151je egyar\u00e1nt felr\u00f3tt\u00e1k az \u00e9rseknek, hogy<br \/>\nnyilatkozata azt sugallja, hogy a vall\u00e1s tudom\u00e1nyos k\u00f6vetkeztet\u00e9seket<br \/>\ndikt\u00e1lhat. Coyne atya levele k\u00fcl\u00f6n\u00f6sen \u00e9rdekes, k\u00e9t<br \/>\nid\u00e9zetet ki is emeln\u00e9k bel\u0151le: <\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"idezet\"><p>\n&#8220;Science is completely neutral with respect to philosophical or<br \/>\ntheological implications that may be drawn from its conclusions. Those<br \/>\nconclusions are always subject to improvement. That is why science is<br \/>\nsuch an interesting adventure and scientists curiously interesting<br \/>\ncreatures. But for someone to deny the best of today\u2019s science on<br \/>\nreligious grounds is to live in that groundless fear just mentioned.<br \/>\n[&#8230;]<br \/>\nGod lets the world be what it will be in its continuous evolution. He<br \/>\nis not continually intervening, but rather allows, participates,<br \/>\nloves.&#8221;\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A nagysz\u00e1m\u00fa komment\u00e1r Sch\u00f6nbornt magyar\u00e1zkod\u00e1sra k\u00e9sz\u00edtette \u00e9s okt\u00f3ber elej\u00e9n egy el\u0151ad\u00e1s\u00e1ban <a href=\"http:\/\/news.webindia123.com\/news\/showdetails.asp?id=129097&amp;n_date=20051004&amp;cat=World\">arra hivatkozott<\/a>,<br \/>\nhogy pontatlan fogalmaz\u00e1sa okozta a f\u00e9lre\u00e9rt\u00e9seket. \u0150 az evol\u00faci\u00f3t<br \/>\nszellemi t\u00f6rt\u00e9nelm\u00fcnk egyik nagy m\u0171v\u00e9nek tartja, \u00e9s sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra az evol\u00faci\u00f3<br \/>\n\u00e9s az isteni teremt\u00e9s nem z\u00e1rja ki egym\u00e1st, hanem mivel az egyik<br \/>\ntudom\u00e1ny a m\u00e1sik pedig vall\u00e1s, sokkal ink\u00e1bb kieg\u00e9sz\u00edt\u0151 szerep\u00fck van.<\/p>\n<p>Hasonl\u00f3 gondolatokat <a href=\"http:\/\/news.yahoo.com\/s\/ap\/20051104\/ap_on_sc\/vatican_science\">fogalmazott meg<\/a> Gianfranco Basti, a vatik\u00e1ni <a href=\"http:\/\/www.stoqnet.org\/\">Science, Theology and Ontology Quest (STOQ)<\/a><br \/>\nvezet\u0151je egy november eleji sajt\u00f3t\u00e1j\u00e9koztat\u00f3 alkalm\u00e1val, egy\u00fattal<br \/>\nmeger\u0151s\u00edtve II. J\u00e1nos P\u00e1l 1996-os szavait. Azonban n\u00e9h\u00e1ny nappal k\u00e9s\u0151bb<br \/>\nXVI. Benedek <a href=\"http:\/\/www.catholicnews.com\/data\/stories\/cns\/0506452.htm\">arr\u00f3l besz\u00e9lt<\/a>,<br \/>\nhogy a vil\u00e1got egy &#8220;intelligens projectk\u00e9nt&#8221; kell felfogni, \u00e9s a<br \/>\nterm\u00e9szetes vil\u00e1g m\u00f6g\u00f6tt egy kreat\u00edv ok tal\u00e1lhat\u00f3. Vajon azt jelzi-e,<br \/>\nhogy a Vatik\u00e1n \u00e1ll\u00e1pontja az evol\u00faci\u00f3t \u00e9s ID-t illet\u0151en v\u00e1ltoz\u00f3ban van?<br \/>\nCoyne atya szerint ilyesmir\u0151l sz\u00f3 sincs, s ezt l\u00e1tszik al\u00e1t\u00e1masztani a<br \/>\np\u00e1pa egyik k\u00f6nyve, melyet m\u00e9g Ratzinger b\u00edboros kor\u00e1ban \u00edrt. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/0802841066\/qid=1131938057\/sr=2-1\/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1\/103-7082764-5567010?v=glance&amp;s=books\">&#8220;Kezdetben&#8221;<\/a><br \/>\nc\u00edm\u0171 m\u0171v\u00e9ben b\u00edborosk\u00e9nt a p\u00e1pa ki\u00e1llt az el\u0151z\u0151leg m\u00e1r eml\u00edtett<br \/>\ndualista felfog\u00e1s mellett, azaz, hogy a tudom\u00e1ny \u00e9s a vall\u00e1s k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6z\u0151<br \/>\nrendszerben \u00e9rtelmezhet\u0151, \u00edgy semmik\u00e9ppen sem lehetnek egym\u00e1snak<br \/>\nellentmond\u00f3ak, csak egym\u00e1s kieg\u00e9sz\u00edt\u0151i:\n<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"idezet\"><p>&#8220;We cannot say: creation or evolution,<br \/>\ninasmuch as these two things respond to two different realities. The<br \/>\nstory of the dust of the earth and the breath of God, which we just<br \/>\nheard, does not in fact explain how human persons come to be but rather<br \/>\nwhat they are. It explains their inmost origin and casts light on the<br \/>\nproject that they are. And, vice versa, the theory of evolution seeks<br \/>\nto understand and describe biological developments. But in so doing it<br \/>\ncannot explain where the &#8220;project&#8221; of human persons comes from, nor<br \/>\ntheir inner origin, nor their particular nature. To that extent we are<br \/>\nfaced here with two complementary &#8212; rather than mutually exclusive &#8212;<br \/>\nrealities.&#8221;\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Mindent egybevetve teh\u00e1t, az ID t\u00e1bornak nincs sok \u00f6r\u00f6mre oka;<br \/>\neleddig a katolikus egyh\u00e1z hivatalos \u00e1ll\u00e1spontja nem v\u00e1ltozott (b\u00e1r nem<br \/>\nk\u00e9tlem, hogy az egyh\u00e1zon bel\u00fcl is bizonyos m\u00e9rt\u00e9kben k\u00fcl\u00f6nb\u00f6zhetnek az<br \/>\n\u00e1ll\u00e1spontok) \u00e9s kitart az el\u0151z\u0151 p\u00e1pa hagyom\u00e1nya \u00e9s az evol\u00faci\u00f3<br \/>\nelm\u00e9let\u00e9nek alapgondolatai mellett.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nincs k\u00f6nny\u0171 helyzetben az aki a Vatik\u00e1n \u00e9s az \u00c9rtelmes Tervez\u00e9s (ID) viszony\u00e1t pr\u00f3b\u00e1lja manaps\u00e1g tiszt\u00e1n l\u00e1tni. M\u00edg II. J\u00e1nos P\u00e1l p\u00e1pa idej\u00e9n viszonylag egy\u00e9rtelm\u0171 volt a Szentsz\u00e9k \u00e1ll\u00e1spontja a kreacionista-evolucionista vit\u00e1ban, m\u00e1ra a helyzet hom\u00e1lyosabb\u00e1 v\u00e1lt. 1996 okt\u00f3ber 22.-i &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/?p=5005286\">Egy kattint\u00e1s ide a folytat\u00e1shoz&#8230;. <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5005286"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5005286"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5005286\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5005286"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5005286"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/criticalbiomass.hu\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5005286"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}